I guess you’re right. If only Zelensky would stop his aggression against the peaceful Russian and north Korean forces

If he were to stop his aggression at Ukrainians, I would be satisfied already.

freeing Ukraine from the burden of democracy…

Democracy? What democracy? Did you mean to say Zelensky’s authoritarian regime where people are treated worse than dogs?

Ah I’m so sorry for disliking Zelensky trying to kill me, my family, friends and every other Ukrainian

He is not “protecting his homeland”. He is flying around the world telling people that he does that, that he protects democracy and so on, while people are trapped in his prison, kidnapped off the streets and sent to the meatgrinder.

Putin will happily send every last Russian in to the meat grinder before he accept defeat

Funny, because it’s exactly the same with Zelensky and unfortunate Ukrainians who haven’t managed to escape his regime.

Ukranian governement is not fascist, nor with a dictator.

It is both. Zelensky’s regime ticks almost every (or just every) description of fascism from wikipedia. He is a dictator. Even your comment in the next sentences doesn’t DISPROVE it, you merely try to JUSTIFY it.

Posting a random video, with a story, without providing a single fucking source (that isn’t russian propaganda).

I (re)posted dozens of such videos already, where my compatriots who haven’t managed to escape Zelensky’s murderous regime either fight kidnapping attempts from TCC, or try to escape or are getting caught and busified.
This was described countless times in western media https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/10/03/ukraine-is-employing-increasingly-controversial-methods-for-mobilization_6728127_4.html and I actually just found out it is also described in wikipedia now, including the word busification https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_conscription_crisis, and yet there is always someone to deny it. As for my sources, I mainly take it from Ukrainian telegram channels, where people post those from first sources.
“Ухилянт Iнфо”: https://t.me/+ECYgfpxkTz4zOGNh
“Ховайся”: https://t.me/HOVAYSY
“Реальний Київ”: https://t.me/kievreal1

But Ukrainians are Russian bots now, right? How dare we, not willing to die for your interests?

You also insinuated zelenski is exterminating his people, which is insane

Why? He literally forbade people from leaving the country, kidnaps people one by one off the streets and sends them to their deaths. How is this not an extermination? Every moment he remains in power is a moment he exterminates more and more Ukrainians, if he won’t be stopped he will kill everyone.

Fuck the government unless that government is a fascist one with a dictator, then that is okay of course

What? I just criticized a fascist government with a dictator, and you accuse me of not doing that? 🤦‍♂

And what is “insane” in my comment?

Eh, and as almost my every comment like this one, it got reported by some LW user with reason “pro Russian bot” :/
If you think that caring about peoples’ lives and posting evidence of human right abuses is somehow a sign of a person being Russian, or just something that is worth a condemnation… What kind of mental gymnastics routine are you doing every morning to still consider yourself a good person?..

For all the people here “supporting Ukraine” because you know, if Putin captures Ukraine then he will genocide Ukrainians and all that - this is exactly the same narration that Zelensky’s regime is using to kidnap people and send them to the meatgrinder (kill them). A video from Kharkiv where TCC attempts to kidnap people from a bus scaring them with “Russian World” coming to Ukraine: https://files.catbox.moe/c72hez.MP4

People in the bus are accusing them of being “a traitor to the motherland” and telling them to go fuck themselves. But you know better what those people should do, right? They all should go and die for your wild fantasies of “but but but Putin will invade the whole world if we don’t stop him (well, not you personally of course, why would you go and fight your wars, but you know, Ukrainians)”.
After all, Zelensky said that Ukrainians are willing to fight, and he would never lie, right? All the videos, articles in your western medias about people NOT wanting to fight but still being exterminated by Zelensky’s regime, etc are fakes.

I disagree, Europe needs to never cede Ukraine at any cost—anything else is rewarding the warmonger

Yeah, why would Europe do that? After all its Ukrainians who will continue dying after being kidnapped off the streets and forbidden to leave the country.
Enjoy your life, and don’t think of hundreds of thousands dead people (not like you ever did that of course)…

The Americans are going to get out of this war,

I just hope he is correct

Nope, Ukraine.

Why would you think that I’m talking about Russia? Is it Russia that doesn’t let its citizens out of the country?

Well, it seems that we won’t come to an agreement here.

As I said, for me mass forbidding people to leave the country is unjustifiable. If some regime does it, whatever the reason, it deserves to be destroyed, and I wholeheartedly support the destruction of that regime. I wouldn’t like to live under such a regime and wouldn’t wish it for other people.

And yeah, I’m not going to stop caring about mine and other people’s freedom :)

There can be no justification for mass forbidding people to leave the country.

country desperately defending themselves

This is exactly the same justification Zelensky is using. Both are wrong.

But what is the contradiction here? :)

In my mind North Korea associates with people being unable to leave it (which you don’t deny), Zelensky did the same to Ukraine, therefore the analogy.

Spoiler alert, the two words are “No Gamechanger”.

I don’t know what could be a “gamechanger” in a war where one side (of course the good one) prevents its people from leaving the country, kidnaps people from the streets to sends them to the frontlines to die, and then has the audacity to complain that people are deserting in record high numbers and either try to escape the country or hide until the regime falls… :/

Well, I wasn’t saying that NK kidnaps and massacres its citizens like Zelensky’s regime does, I was referring to not being able to leave the country, and in that regard the regimes seems similar to me.

I mean they have a grand total of 3 borders of which one is shoot to kill zone, and while they have to get passport and probably visa too they can go to China and Russia, though the numbers aren’t that high afaik.

So it’s not a problem for North Koreans to obtain a passport and cross the border into China/Russia (and from there to any other country, of course provided that that country will let them in)? From what I’ve heard it’s next to impossible, but if that’s just western/American propaganda I’d like to read some articles and learn something new.

I have looked only at the name of the links and not the actual content (there are too many of them) - but I didn’t notice anything about North Koreans being able to leave the country by means other than “illegally” crossing the border (this is the criterian I used to compare the countries)? If one of the links covers this topic I’d be interested in reading it.

Are people in Russian-occupied territories free to protest against Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? No. They would get put in prison, or worse. So they aren’t free.

The only free people in this reality are billionaires. It’s not about who is free, it is about who is more free. Are you trying to say that people on liberated territories are less free than people on Zelensky controlled territories because… they can protest Russia’s invasion of Ukraine? So the ability to protest Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is more important than freedom of movement and not being kidnapped from the streets?

I do think Ukrainians should be allowed to leave Ukraine.

Well thank you at least for that (that’s not even sarcasm btw, that’s already more helpful than most of the world), but again - you support Zelensky’s regime which is the one making it impossible.

But you seem to be blaming Zelenskyy for the Russian shells, being fired by Russian forces.

I blame him for turning Ukraine into his North Korea. I blame him for trapping people, who die trying to cross the border by mountains/rivers, or hide at homes afraid to leave. I blame him for kidnapping people from the streets and sending them to the meatgrinder (so, killing them).

For some reason you don’t want to put any blame at all on the Kremlin - why is that?

Here it is: I condemn Kremlin, Russia, Putin and everybody else responsible for this war.

But “Ukraine bad”, “Russia good” right? Why criticizing only Ukraine and Zelensky since they’re defending their land and not even a word against Russia or Putin?

I never said “Russia good”.
Here, just for you: Russia and Putin are bad.

You make it seem like that surrendering to an invasion is the right thing to do.

No, I don’t.

So if Russia decided to invade the whole of Europe we should sit waiting for russian soldiers to rape our sisters and moms and execute us with our hands tied behind our back?

No, you are free to do what you want, including fighting Russia. But if you try to to kill me, my family, my friends - don’t be surprised that I’d rather support Russia than you…

Moreover, in occupied Ukraine people get drafted anyways by Russia to fight Ukrainian soldiers. So what? Should they surrender waiting to go to the opposite side?

People who accept Russian citizenship (which is generally not forced onto anyone) may get drafted (there was some exemption though for people on liberated territories till 2024, not sure if it’s still in effect though). People are frre to leave at any moment though.
This is also wrong, but in no way comparable to Zelensky’s regime kidnapping people on the streets every single day and trapping them in the country. (There were some cases of that happening in LPR & DPR previously, which is also terrible, but again not nearly on a similar scale to what Zelensky is doing)